Where does this whining perception come from. The Red Sox fans I know, much like the Cub, White Sox, A's, O's and M's fans I know, are not whiners. Rather they are loyal to a fault to their clubs. The administration of these clubs may be different but that is not the fault of the fan. I will also be the first to admit that the Red Sox admin. should have just shut up about the 180 mil. + spent by the Yanks in the off season. There is not a lot of room to level the charge they did when the Blue Jays are lucky to spend $50 mil. a season, a far cry from the 125 spent by the Sox this season. But the fans don't whine ... All fans are loyal and just want their team to win. The Sox may have been waiting longer than most clubs but if you talk to an Eagle fan, I think your opinion on Sox fans would change.